THis episode took awhile to construct.  We had some audio problems with the debate portion.  Taylor and I ventured up to Williamsport, the second largest city in the 12th to hear Judy Herschel and Marc Freidenberg debate at an event organized by the Lycoming County Progressives! This episode starts with our post-debate chat on the ride home and then has the debate after.

Picture is Allenwood minimum security prison which we discuss as we drive past.